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[247d]
       that is enough. They will then have to tell what is which is inherent in the incorporeal and the corporeal alike, and which they have in mind when they say that both exit. Perhaps they would be at a loss for an answer; and if they are in that condition, consider whether they might not accept a suggestion if we offered it, and might not agree that the nature of being is as follows.

Theaetetus
What is it? Speak, and we shall soon know.

Stranger
I suggest that everything which possesses any power of any kind, eithr to produce a change in anything of any nature

[247¥ä] ¥ò¥ì¥é¥ê¥ñὸ¥í ἐ¥èέ¥ë¥ï¥ô¥ò¥é ¥óῶ¥í ὄ¥í¥ó¥ø¥í ¥ò¥ô¥ã¥ö¥ø¥ñ¥åῖ¥í ἀ¥òώ¥ì¥á¥ó¥ï¥í, ἐ¥î¥á¥ñ¥ê¥åῖ. ¥óὸ ¥ãὰ¥ñ ἐ¥ðί ¥ó¥å ¥ó¥ïύ¥ó¥ï¥éς ἅ¥ì¥á ¥ê¥áὶ ἐ¥ð᾽ ἐ¥ê¥åί¥í¥ï¥éς ὅ¥ò¥á ἔ¥ö¥å¥é ¥òῶ¥ì¥á ¥ò¥ô¥ì¥õ¥ôὲς ¥ã¥å¥ã¥ï¥íός, ¥åἰς ὃ ¥â¥ëέ¥ð¥ï¥í¥ó¥åς ἀ¥ì¥õό¥ó¥å¥ñ¥á ¥åἶ¥í¥á¥é ¥ëέ¥ã¥ï¥ô¥ò¥é, ¥ó¥ïῦ¥ó¥ï ¥áὐ¥ó¥ïῖς ῥ¥ç¥óέ¥ï¥í. ¥óά¥ö᾽ ¥ïὖ¥í ἴ¥ò¥øς ἂ¥í ἀ¥ð¥ï¥ñ¥ïῖ¥å¥í: ¥åἰ ¥äή ¥ó¥é ¥ó¥ï¥é¥ïῦ¥ó¥ï¥í ¥ð¥å¥ðό¥í¥è¥á¥ò¥é, ¥ò¥êό¥ð¥å¥é, ¥ð¥ñ¥ï¥ó¥å¥é¥í¥ï¥ìέ¥í¥ø¥í ἡ¥ìῶ¥í, ἆ¥ñ᾽ ἐ¥èέ¥ë¥ï¥é¥å¥í ἂ¥í ¥äέ¥ö¥å¥ò¥è¥á¥é ¥ê¥áὶ ὁ¥ì¥ï¥ë¥ï¥ã¥åῖ¥í ¥ó¥ï¥éό¥í¥ä᾽ ¥åἶ¥í¥á¥é ¥óὸ ὄ¥í.

¥È¥å¥áί¥ó¥ç¥ó¥ïς
¥óὸ ¥ð¥ïῖ¥ï¥í ¥äή; ¥ëέ¥ã¥å, ¥ê¥áὶ ¥óά¥ö¥á ¥åἰ¥òό¥ì¥å¥è¥á.

¥Îέ¥í¥ïς
¥ëέ¥ã¥ø ¥äὴ ¥óὸ ¥ê¥áὶ ὁ¥ð¥ï¥é¥á¥í¥ïῦ¥í ¥ó¥é¥í¥á ¥ê¥å¥ê¥ó¥ç¥ìέ¥í¥ï¥í ¥äύ¥í¥á¥ì¥é¥í



[247e]
      or to be affected even in the least degree by the slightest cause, though it be only on one occasion, has real existence. For I set up as a definition which defines being, that it is nothing else but power.

Theaetetus
Well, since they have at the moment nothing better of their own to offer, they accept this.

Stranger
Good; for perhaps later something else may occur to them and to us. As between them


[247¥å] ¥åἴ¥ó᾽ ¥åἰς ¥óὸ ¥ð¥ï¥é¥åῖ¥í ἕ¥ó¥å¥ñ¥ï¥í ὁ¥ó¥é¥ïῦ¥í ¥ð¥å¥õ¥ô¥êὸς ¥åἴ¥ó᾽ ¥åἰς ¥óὸ ¥ð¥á¥è¥åῖ¥í ¥ê¥áὶ ¥ò¥ì¥é¥ê¥ñό¥ó¥á¥ó¥ï¥í ὑ¥ðὸ ¥ó¥ïῦ ¥õ¥á¥ô¥ë¥ï¥óά¥ó¥ï¥ô, ¥êἂ¥í ¥åἰ ¥ìό¥í¥ï¥í ¥åἰς ἅ¥ð¥á¥î, ¥ðᾶ¥í ¥ó¥ïῦ¥ó¥ï ὄ¥í¥ó¥øς ¥åἶ¥í¥á¥é: ¥óί¥è¥å¥ì¥á¥é ¥ãὰ¥ñ ὅ¥ñ¥ï¥í ὁ¥ñί¥æ¥å¥é¥í ¥óὰ ὄ¥í¥ó¥á ὡς ἔ¥ò¥ó¥é¥í ¥ïὐ¥ê ἄ¥ë¥ë¥ï ¥ó¥é ¥ð¥ëὴ¥í ¥äύ¥í¥á¥ì¥éς.

¥È¥å¥áί¥ó¥ç¥ó¥ïς
ἀ¥ë¥ë᾽ ἐ¥ð¥åί¥ð¥å¥ñ ¥áὐ¥ó¥ïί ¥ã¥å ¥ïὐ¥ê ἔ¥ö¥ï¥ô¥ò¥é¥í ἐ¥í ¥óῷ ¥ð¥á¥ñό¥í¥ó¥é ¥ó¥ïύ¥ó¥ï¥ô ¥âέ¥ë¥ó¥é¥ï¥í ¥ëέ¥ã¥å¥é¥í, ¥äέ¥ö¥ï¥í¥ó¥á¥é ¥ó¥ïῦ¥ó¥ï.

¥Îέ¥í¥ïς
¥ê¥á¥ëῶς: ἴ¥ò¥øς ¥ãὰ¥ñ ἂ¥í ¥åἰς ὕ¥ò¥ó¥å¥ñ¥ï¥í ἡ¥ìῖ¥í ¥ó¥å ¥ê¥áὶ ¥ó¥ïύ¥ó¥ï¥éς

.......


[248e]
       that if to know is active, to be known must in turn be passive. Now being, since it is, according to this theory, known by the intelligence, in so far as it is known, is moved, since it is acted upon, which we say cannot be the case with that which is in a state of rest.

Theaetetus
Right.

Stranger
But for heaven's sake, shall we let ourselves easily be persuaded that motion and life and soul and mind are really not present to absolute being, that it neither lives nor thinks,


[248¥å] ¥ð¥ï¥é¥åῖ¥í ¥ó¥é, ¥óὸ ¥ã¥é¥ã¥í¥ø¥ò¥êό¥ì¥å¥í¥ï¥í ἀ¥í¥á¥ã¥ê¥áῖ¥ï¥í ¥áὖ ¥ò¥ô¥ì¥â¥áί¥í¥å¥é ¥ðά¥ò¥ö¥å¥é¥í. ¥óὴ¥í ¥ïὐ¥òί¥á¥í ¥äὴ ¥ê¥á¥óὰ ¥óὸ¥í ¥ëό¥ã¥ï¥í ¥ó¥ïῦ¥ó¥ï¥í ¥ã¥é¥ã¥í¥ø¥ò¥ê¥ï¥ìέ¥í¥ç¥í ὑ¥ðὸ ¥óῆς ¥ã¥íώ¥ò¥å¥øς, ¥ê¥á¥è᾽ ὅ¥ò¥ï¥í ¥ã¥é¥ã¥íώ¥ò¥ê¥å¥ó¥á¥é, ¥ê¥á¥óὰ ¥ó¥ï¥ò¥ïῦ¥ó¥ï¥í ¥ê¥é¥í¥åῖ¥ò¥è¥á¥é ¥ä¥éὰ ¥óὸ ¥ðά¥ò¥ö¥å¥é¥í, ὃ ¥äή ¥õ¥á¥ì¥å¥í ¥ïὐ¥ê ἂ¥í ¥ã¥å¥íέ¥ò¥è¥á¥é ¥ð¥å¥ñὶ ¥óὸ ἠ¥ñ¥å¥ì¥ïῦ¥í.

¥È¥å¥áί¥ó¥ç¥ó¥ïς
ὀ¥ñ¥èῶς.

¥Îέ¥í¥ïς
¥óί ¥äὲ ¥ð¥ñὸς ¥Ä¥éός; ὡς ἀ¥ë¥ç¥èῶς ¥êί¥í¥ç¥ò¥é¥í ¥ê¥áὶ ¥æ¥øὴ¥í ¥ê¥áὶ ¥÷¥ô¥öὴ¥í ¥ê¥áὶ ¥õ¥ñό¥í¥ç¥ò¥é¥í ἦ ῥᾳ¥äί¥øς ¥ð¥å¥é¥ò¥è¥ç¥òό¥ì¥å¥è¥á ¥óῷ ¥ð¥á¥í¥ó¥å¥ëῶς

[249a] but awful and holy, devoid of mind, is fixed and immovable?

Theaetetus
That would be a shocking admission to make, Stranger.


[249¥á] ὄ¥í¥ó¥é ¥ìὴ ¥ð¥á¥ñ¥åῖ¥í¥á¥é, ¥ì¥ç¥äὲ ¥æῆ¥í ¥áὐ¥óὸ ¥ì¥ç¥äὲ ¥õ¥ñ¥ï¥í¥åῖ¥í, ἀ¥ë¥ëὰ ¥ò¥å¥ì¥íὸ¥í ¥ê¥áὶ ἅ¥ã¥é¥ï¥í, ¥í¥ïῦ¥í ¥ïὐ¥ê ἔ¥ö¥ï¥í, ἀ¥êί¥í¥ç¥ó¥ï¥í ἑ¥ò¥óὸς ¥åἶ¥í¥á¥é;

¥È¥å¥áί¥ó¥ç¥ó¥ïς
¥ä¥å¥é¥íὸ¥í ¥ì¥å¥í¥óἄ¥í, ὦ ¥îέ¥í¥å, ¥ëό¥ã¥ï¥í ¥ò¥ô¥ã¥ö¥ø¥ñ¥ïῖ¥ì¥å¥í.



* Âü°í·Î È­ÀÌÆ®Çìµå°¡ AI¿¡¼­ ÂüÁ¶ÇÑ JowettÀÇ ¿µ¿ªº»Àº ´ÙÀ½°ú °°ÀÌ ¹ø¿ªµÇ¾î ÀÖ´Ù.

Str. My notion would be, that anything which possesses any sort of
power to affect another, or to be affected by another, if only for
a single moment, however trifling the cause and however slight the
effect, has real existence; and I hold that the definition of being
is simply power of

Theaet. They accept your suggestion, having nothing better of their
own to offer.

´Ù½Ã ¸î ÁÙ ¾Æ·¡

Str. I understand; but they will allow that if to know is active,
then, of course, to be known is passive. And on this view being, in
so far as it is known, is acted upon by knowledge, and is therefore
in motion; for that which is in a state of rest cannot be acted upon,
as we affirm.

Theaet. True.

Str. And, O heavens, can we ever be made to believe that motion and
life and soul and mind are not present with perfect being? Can we
imagine that, being is devoid of life and mind, and exists in awful
unmeaningness an everlasting fixture?

Theaet. That would be a dreadful thing to admit, Stranger.


http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0172%3Atext%3DSoph.%3Asection%3D247e






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